The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt





Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible. They delight in telling us that the Bible is the inspired word of God, even though it’s well documented that the Bible contains more than 400 contradictions, not to mention that it reflects the Bronze-age morality of the time.

Well, here comes science to kick religion in the nuts once again: the Jews were never slaves in Egypt!

This never happened…

It turns out that there is no archaeological evidence of any kind relating to a separate settlement of religious people in Egypt during that time. There is also no evidence of any kind relating to a mass migration across the Sinai Peninsula.

If things did indeed happen as it says in the Bible (and the Torah), there would have to be some archaeological evidence. But there is none.

Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians. The pyramids weren’t even built in the right time period, being 800 to 2,000 years older than the supposed “Exodus”.

The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place. Not to put too fine a point on it, but if an entire nation was enslaved for hundreds of years, surely there would have been some inter-breeding.

In short, this story never happened.

And this isn’t even “news” – of course, the scientific community is across the subject, but even conservative Jewish sources admit that there is no evidence (but they still have faith! And some stuff about metaphors and such…)

To drive the point home, I’m even providing sources for you (although, a quick Google search could give you dozens more…)

Basically, everyone in the know admits that what is written in the Bible and Torah simply didn’t happen, not at all, not even the non-supernatural, core plot…

So next time you hear someone tell you the Bible is infallible (or anything about Passover whatsoever) send them one of these links:

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  • reader

    I agree with what is written but just to be accurate ..the Jewish bible never claimedjews built the pyramids the Hebrew description is “arei miskenot”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003407153609 Ruth

      I am so proud of you all for making this stand for the mureerdd babies who never had a chance. I wish I could have joined you!!!As you say Viktor, this is just the start, and knowing you as I do now, you will not give up until we get results for those innocent lives and for all in the future too!!!!A huge well done to all those who attended, you are all saviours and may God bless you for speaking up in defence of our lost souls.You all have my utmost support and respect. FANTASTIC xxDo you think you can possibly get a link to the TV coverage when it goes live???

      • http://www.the-voices.net Shane

        How is he defending baby killers?

        He’s simply showing that there is no actual evidence of a major Jewish presence in Egypt.

        There is evidence of some (a few names here and there) but nothing that would be anywhere near the claimed amount in the Bible.

        • wally

          because if you don’t believe the Bible is the INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD then you must be an atheist-liberal-commie-abortion-supporting-satanist-baby-killer

      • flame

        i just wanted to ask why they baby killers. look at the statistics of pope Benedict and read about the aids epidemic in Africa and his response to it and ask yourself who is the real baby killer.

  • Saulot

    LOL! did they said that the jewish people built the piramids? NOPE.. please .. read the article again ..

  • didi sobe

    Finally you have a blog without any reliable facts but yet you believe what you don’t know . You still have some time to gather some more informations befor it is too late for you .

    • admin

      I don’t know what your definition of “facts” are, but I’m pretty sure this is a first for me, to write a blog post with links to references and research. What more do you want?!

    • rachel magowan

      What facts are there in the bible?

      • David

        You want Facts:
        The existence of the Jewish nation
        King David and his succession of progeny.
        Places in Isreal – Sodom & Gomorrah
        En Gedi, Mount Of Olives, Megiddo, Jebusite (Jerusalem)
        The Egyptian Dynasty
        The Hittites
        The Assyrians
        The Babylonian Empire
        The Persian Empire
        The Greeks
        The Romans
        All the places, people in the book of Acts
        (Historians will affirm)
        The existence of the Church
        non biblical sources – Pliny the younger mentions Jesus
        People like Herod, Pilate, Nero….
        undeniable historical FACTS…
        Too many to detail here.

        • Gadfly47

          Pliny the younger did not mention Jesus by name. He reported to the government on his efforts to persecute Christians which was considered a superstitious cult at the time and illegal under Roman law.

          The fact that there is a mount of olives and there was a Babylonian Empire does not prove the Bible is accurate in all things. New York is a real place. Does that mean Spider Man real?

        • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

          Pliny the younger mentions HE HEARD about a guy… Pliny was not an eye witness so does not corroborate anything other than having heard and being a third person.

          NONE of the alleged disciples wrote a single thing concerning “jesus.” The gospels do not agree – two don’t mention “virgin” birth at all; nowhere in the bible is there any confirmation “Mary” lived or where she came from…

          It is a STORY based on many much earlier stories and in most cases identical to those stories.

          • Bill Smith

            If you found some piece of 3,000 year old pottery you would believe that everything written on it was factual, yet you don’t want to believe the Bible. I find this to be absurd.

          • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

            You’re missing the point entirely, being there IS NO POTTERY or any other thing that substantiates this story.

            You find it absurd evidence is required to support a claim, but you ask for no such evidence at all and claim the book proves itself? IF that is the case, then the Qur’an, the book of mormon and Harry Potter are all just as real.

        • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

          The other problem with your assertion here is this: Adam/Eve NEVER existed. DNA – mitochondrial DNA in particular – proves this couple never existed. The “creation” myth is common in most, much older religions.

          Given it is a fact this couple never existed, original “sin” also doen’t exist, which instantly makes the rest of the story redundant.

          If you also understand the political motivations of the Roman Empire and the goals of the council of Nicea, you will also know why the “saviour” story and its character were fabricated, why a crucifixion was alleged and what the effect of those two things were on the Jewish community of the time (and now).

          Pliny the younger does NOT mention Jesus. He mentions, many, many years after the fact – he heard about some guy… that is not eyewitness and cannot be eyewitness: Pliny was not alive at the alleged time of christ, one and two, the entire virgin birth story is not only NOT in all four gospels, it is entirely impossible unless you really are going to invoke magic.

          The FACT is, unless your “angels” or “spirits” or “gods” have genes, your human woman could NOT, under any circumstances have produced a male child without the contribution of the Y chromosome required. The story is utterly impossible.

          It IS possible some noisy rabbi was afoot at the suggested time but there is utterly no way, and given Adam/Eve being myth, no reason for this person.

  • Revealer

    You are warm… but no cigar. The Jews were never slaves in Egypt. You are correct in saying that never happened. What you don’t realize is that it never happened because the people who call themselves Jews today are not the people of the book. So, in essence, they have nothing to do with the story. No DNA, no history, no right to the land, etc. When you find the real people of the book AND you find out who the original Egyptians actually were/are..then you’ll be on to it. That’s for you to search out. You won’t believe me just telling you….Peace

    • admin

      If you read the article and references, you’d see there’s no evidence of ANY body of people being enslaved during that time.

      • rachel magowan

        You are correct. It was rare for the egyptians to use slavery at all. Only egyptians were allowed to work on pyramids and other sacred artifacts. There eere no foreigners in egypt until the 2nd intermediate period and that was during time of war with nubia and other southern territories. Egypt kept its borders closed and held great disdain for outsiders.

  • mr smith

    so r u saying the 10 plagues & the parting of the red sea didn’t happen?

  • mr smith

    what are the 400 contradictions in the BIBLE or maybe you are incorrect on that…please list then…thx

    • admin

      Here’s a list of 439 Bible contradictions. And no, the 10 plagues and the parting of the red sea didn’t happen.

      • Glenn

        2 Peter 3:16b ESV

        There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

        There are no contradictions. Only ignorant and unstable interpretations. As the creationist appears ignorant and uneducated to the evolutionist on the subject of evolution, so does the atheist appear ignorant and uneducated to the Jew or Christian on the subject of Scripture.

        • Mike Kirby

          Kindly inform us when biblical scripture successfully puts a man on the moon. Until then, I’ll assume that science is less ignorant than faith in myths.

      • David

        I don’t think you would know a contradiction if it slapped
        you in the face.
        All these alleged contractions are harmonizations and variants in manuscripts NOT contradictions…the compiler of the list needs a textual critizism 101 class.

        • ntdstym
        • http://www.religiouscriticism.com/ Religious Critic

          You know, I’ll grant you that some on that list are a stretch, but there are plenty of obvious examples, and I would think just one contradiction would make someone question the infallibility of the gospel.

  • Kim

    There is one thing that this article got right…the Jews never were slaves in Egypt, but the Hebrew slaves were!!!!

    • Amber

      I’m sensing you didn’t really read the article:/

  • Ian

    Hi!

    Did a religious person touch you when you were a child? You know what I mean right?
    You really have issues the bible and religion.
    How about committing to something more practical and meaningful with your life?
    Just saying.

    • mdx_jsilver

      Your fucking retarded comment is completely besides the point. Stopping people from believing something that is unfounded and unproven is not unpractical or unmeaningful. Anything that can be done to disinfect these unproven beliefs is actually a service to humanity. Less practical is believing in a wizard in the sky.

  • Nikki

    If at any point you realize that you’re not exactly sure why you’re doing this, that would be your real chance to start seeking after the truth. If that happens, I hope you do not pass it up. The Bible says seek and you will find. This is truth

  • amie

    I would like to pose the possibility that the reason that you can’t find evidence of large scale slavery in Egyptian history, it is because you are not looking in the right place. If you are looking in the 18th-19th dynasties, which many incorrectly do (a topic for another conversation), you are absolutely correct. There is no sign of such events. However, if you look in the 12-13 dynasty (Middle Kingdom) you will find quite a bit of corroborating evidence. In the later half of the 12th dynasty you will find a large semitic slave population in Kahun and Gurab. During this time the cities Bubastis, Qantir and Ramses were built. In addition, the dynasty’s 6th king, Amenemhet III had 2 daughters and no son. Josephus writings tell of his daughter finding a child in a river which she raised with hopes that he would be heir of the kingdom. Apparently, it never happened and she, Sobekneferu, briefly ruled the kingdom.
    Archeological findings in Kahun give us wooden boxes in the floors of the homes, in which they found the remains of babies, some with 2-3 to a box. In the 13th Dynasty, during the reign of Neferhotep I, we have record of semitic slave population leaving. We also have no record of Neferhotep’s mummy and his son never ruled in Egypt. There are more findings which seem to coincide with the Biblical account and I can give you the source of these findings if you are really interested in them. I just didn’t want you to give the impression that there is absolutely no evidence when in fact there is.

  • michael bylander the great

    It’s been shown that there are massive *in the ground graves*, which are believed to be the actual builders of the pyramids. Slaves don’t get graves. If you base knowledge off the Bible, get a real education and stop being a peon! =)

  • Jonathon Wisnoski

    Best, to the point article on this subject I have found so far.
    But you are mistaken in “there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves”.
    We know that they had at least a few slaves on occasion. We know that they never had MASS slavery.

  • Amber

    Loved the article, hope things are going good with the seventh-day adventist.

  • The Apple Jack Prophet

    History or is it HIS STORY will never come 2 grips with The Truth..The JEWISH PPL that inherited the land we called ISRAEL..Are not it’s rightful owners..The Bible tells us of 12 Tribes of Israel..( And since when have they ever refrenced themselves as TRIBES.) Only ppl of COLOR HAVE DONE SO…And 2 carry the BLOOD LINEAGE OF THE JEWS U HAD 2 DECEND from the Tribe of Judah…SOME OF THESE HEBREW ISRAELITES (JEWS) LOOKED JUST LIKE THE EGYPTIANS .NO EUROPEANS WERE EVER EGYPTIANS….STOP IT RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOLLYWOOD BS…BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY WERE CALLED…HEBREW ISRAELITES…NOW JEWISH. .NO WHERE IN THE OLDER BIBLES WERE THERE EVER A WORD LIKE”JEWISH PPL”..AND THE SCRIPTURES REFERENCED THESE ISRAELITES (JEWS) AS LOOKING LIKE ETHIOPIANS BY GOD..AMOS CHP 9: VRS 7..THATS AFRICANS 2 MOST..EVEN REFERENCED JESUS AS HAVING HAIR OF WOOL..THE FACT IS… SCIENCE ..HISTORY ..ECT..KNOWS THAT THE ORIGINAL PPL OF THE BIBLE WERE STRAIGHT OUT OF AFRICA & ETHIOPIA WAS THE BEGINING…

  • Gary

    This article is one of historical scholarship (and not very good at that!) and nothing to do with the false opposition of science v. religion. . .

  • rachel magowan

    As an anthropology and egyptology student I have deciphered egyptian hieroglyphics. The pyramids were in fact built by egyptian workers. They were highly paid and treated very well. Pyramid work was considered by many to be a tradition followed by next generations. Often pyramid foremen would offer bonuses for speedy work and excellent craftsmanship and groups of workers would hold friendly competitions over who could complete more by the end of the work day and receive extra pay or gifts upon winning. There is EVIDENCE of such things. There is NO ANTHROPOLOGICAL EVIDENCE supporting jewish slavery or even the presence of Jewish or anyone other than egyptians working on pyramids. The argument about what we consider to be a jewish person noe or then is semantics and irrelevant. For thousands of years egypt primarily kept its boarders closed to outsiders. They painted the faces of bordering rivals (the nubians and thr greeks for example) on the bottom of their shoes as a sign of superiority. The idea that they would allow foreigners to work on something so sacred is preposterous. Also it was rare for egyptians to have slaves in general. Some criminals were used for undesirable work until their debt or sentence was paid but even that was uncommon. The bible wS written by group of regular men as a TOOL for control and a way to govern people. During a time of famine, drought, crime and ignorance the need for conformity was crucial to civilization. The promise of paradise was incredibly enticing when the world around you is plagued with disease and starvation. Being told that if you follow the rules of an invisible, all powerful, omniscient being will guarantee you a place in heaven, you’re going to choose to believe in the fairytale. And the notion of burning in hell for all eternity if you dont follow the “teachings of christ” is a great deterrent for those that would appose the bible. Fear is a powerful tool. The bible and christianity is a myth. It’s just a fairytale that has caused pain and suffering and war.

    • Bill Smith

      The Bible was written by 40 different people over the course of 1500 years. One theme: redemption. Jesus said the meek will inherit the earth. Christians are to submit to authorities. Greed and selfishness are bad. This doesn’t sound like the typical power grabbing stuff of humanity. And furthermore, where are you going when you die? You don’t know at all do you? Doesn’t that bother you?

  • http://christincharlie.blogspot.com charlie

    hello my name is Charlie. With all due respect, I would like to submit my response to this blog. It concerns me very much when people throw out the ’400 contradictions in the Bible line.’ I always challenge those people- OK fine. then show me. It’s just a big waste of time because those people are trying to ‘debunk’ innerency of scripture. Bad news- you will never succeed in doing that. Ok so here is my critique:

    Without even reading a few sentences into the article, I see your perspective quite clearly.

    “Christians still cling to the opinion that their Bible is infallible…”

    So instead of the Bible as the measure and standard of truth, you have another measure and standard. Now the 400 contradiction statement is a bold and arrogant statement that needs to be proved itself. Unfortunately you just throws that in there carelessly.

    #1- the author makes statements of ‘fact’ without any citation or data.

    Example..”Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation.”

    Says who? there needs to be a footnote here or some sort of reference.

    Example: “The same techniques used to track the migration patterns of ancient humans by examining DNA also show that there was absolutely no procreation between ancient Egyptians and ancient Israelites during the time that the story was supposed to have taken place.”

    WHAT!? who is making these statements /are you qualified to say such things?

    #2- The author assumes that the building of pyramids is proof that the Israelite s had been exiled/or that this happened in the same era.

    “Further, there is no evidence of any kind that Egypt even used slaves, and certainly no evidence that they enslaved an entire nation. The workers that built the pyramids are known to be well payed Egyptians.”..

    Ok so you knew these men got paid well? How?how does this prove that Israelites could have never been there at any point in history .

    #3- this is an incredibly weak argument, with its sole purpose to undermine the authority of Scripture.

    You draw your argument to a close with this statement: “In short, this story never happened…”

    So I am supposed to say.. “DUH it all makes sense now.” Thanks for revealing the truth to me. Seems like you know better then thousands of years of other historical information that you omit. Now that you explained this- it’s clear the Bible is just a book full of lies!”

    Now you can see I am being a bit foolish, and I don’t mean to offend you. It is just concerning how you can make sure bold statements from the authority of himself, and not even back it up with anything significant.

    In the Bible there are things that are hard to understand, and hard to accept. But at the end of the day, we probably wont have every single question answered. Even more- It will come down to this: Whose authority do you trust man or God’s? We know what God has to say on a subject because He says it in His Word.

    I want you to know that these issues are secondary to the gospel. The exodus was a type and illustration of the spiritual exodus we all face. We are slaves to sin in a foregn land that will one day fade away. Jesus Christ came to Earth and lived the life we should have lived. He died the death we deserved for breaking God’s law in every form and administration. Yet Christ chose to absorbe God’s wrath and cover us with His blood so God can now look upon Christ’s shed blood which covers our sin. Remember the animal sacrifices? That was a picture of the sacrifice of Christ.

    The Bible commands us to repent and believe the gospel. Jesus did not stay dead, He rose from the dead by the power of the Triune God. Jesus couldnt stay dead because He was God! His Resurrection promises you a new life and ultimately we await the new Jerusalem and restored earth. Believe in Jesus for the forgiveness for your sins and you will have freedom. Freedom from sin and self, and freedom from facing God’s wrath for all eternity because Christ suffered that in our place.

    Don’t get hung up on these things. They are historically accurate, yet have a fuller meaning. Jesus is the greater Moses who stood in our place and made a way for us to enter God’s presence and receive reconciliation with our creator.

    God bless you :)

    • admin

      1. My blog post has it’s sources clearly listed at the bottom.
      2. Here is a visual representation of the 400+ bible contradictions
      3. You cannot prove the bible by quoting the bible.

      • Xsquader

        Just because something cannot be currently proven does not mean it didn’t happen or that it is disproved. No current archaeological evidence is not the same as no evidence. This article shows your ignorance as a person because you assume you know the truth because of evidence that hasn’t been found but could still possibly BE found. There is much of the world we have not discovered yet. We have a large group of pyramids said to be bigger than Giza we recently learned about we need to go dig up. Let me re-iterate, just because there is no archaeological proof other than text which can cause skepticism due to bias does NOT mean it did not happen or that proof does not exist somewhere but hasn’t been found yet. Saying the things you say as fact without being able to disprove them makes you just as illogical as Jews, Christians, and Muslims. I am Agnostic by the way in case you attempt to play the religion card.

    • http://www.coverers.co.uk/ Alan (aladon1965)

      Simply superb reply. Thanks for doing so.!!

    • Pookie Ray

      Even more- It will come down to this: Whose authority do you trust man or God’s? We know what God has to say on a subject because He says it in His Word.

      ^^^ Man has been proven a liar and a fool time after time through out history so you can old imagine how foolish someone would look for believing a liar who wrote a book about these 2 items he found in New York that together explained Mormonism and since he was the only one who could use them he needed a way to spread the word and he just happened to be working for a book publisher. Then there is the Bible, mans words.

      Genesis 2:18–23 tells us that Adam named the animals before Eve was created. So how could Adam have named all the animals in one day?
      So many dinosaurs and not one mentioned in the bible. Noah was 480 years old when God told him to build an Ark and 600 when the flood came and that 40 days and 40 nights of rain was enough to put Mt Ararat which stands at 16,854 feet above sea level under water, not bad for being 600.

      • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

        Well, considering there is no evidence for any god – and which one are you referring to here? – there’s no point in “trusting” the “authority” of an invisible man.

        You’re right “man” has been proven a liar and a fool, time after time, so why on earth would you trust a cobbled-together mess of bronze age stores written by men???

    • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

      Um. Charlie? Before you come on a site like this (where there are loads and loads of educated people – reformed christians and all sorts) USE GOOGLE!!!

      You could have saved yourself a world of humiliation just by searching “biblical contradictions.”

      And no, my friend, that statement was NOT thrown in there carelessly. It’s a fact. If you want to check it out, all you have to do is read your own bible – just Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 and compare them: the contradict each other.

      As to the author making statements of fact, yeah, he did – because the FACTS show exactly what he said: there was no migration and none of that other stuff happened. Archaeology is a great field. You should look it up!

      As for undermining scripture, YUP, that is exactly what’s happening here and exactly what should be happening.

      The bible is a many, many-times translated from three or four language compilation of stuff written by who knows how many HUMANS, and then jumbled together by a bunch of other humans. It isn’t anything other than a mess of stories from 2000 or so years ago.

      Oh.. and your buddy Jesus? Yeah. MYTH. NEVER existed.

      Sorry pal.

      • rwagg

        Jesus is mentioned in multiple non-Christian historical texts. Yes, he existed. Whether he was God is up for debate.

        • http://www.religiouscriticism.com/ Religious Critic

          Now, see, that’s what I thought, until I looked into it. There are no contemporaneous sources outside of the early Christian community; that is to say, no evidence that didn’t spring from the “original” gospels, which as we know, were written many years after Jesus’ supposed crucifixion…

          • Bill Smith

            Logically speaking, why would a group of people decide to believe in someone who never existed, and suffer death for that person?

          • John Blue

            People suffer death for their beliefs such as hindus, buddist, ancient greeks, romans, celts etc. They all believe in different gods/ prophets even though there is no proof of any of them. Whose to say Christianity is right with all these other contradicting religions to name but a few. People want to believe in something, to have a purpose in life, their is a certain nobility in martyrdom. Logic however is not a word you can associate with religion.

    • Antonio Vereš

      So, you’re telling me you don’t believe this because it’s not fully explained how it’s done or who did the research, yet you still choose to believe in the bible and the word of god? Am I missing something? ://

    • Sean Lee Walthour

      Horseshit! Rather than provide evidence u claim exists, u just scoff at the writer’s argument. Your bluff was poorly disguised. Tell me, why does the biblical “god” select moses as his prophet, knowing in advance (omniscience )he will try to kill him later? How is this God DEFEATED by enemies with iron chariots (Judges 1:19), why would he put ONLY TWO people on the planet ALONE and tell them to MULTIPLY? You are aware this means God forced INCEST on his creations (genesis 3:20) and why is Satan blamed for EVIL when god CREATED EVERYTHING (which includes evil btw)
      Isaiah 45:7.. and plz explain how a SIX HUNDRED YEAR OLD MAN collected two of every creature on earth in less than a week and put them in a ship FOUR HUNDRED N FIFTY FEET SMALL. .

      Oh one last thing to fry your noodles…

      In the beginning, god CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH,….

      question: WHERE was HE, BEFOREHAND ???

  • Sev

    No offence “admin” but you say… “You cannot prove the bible by quoting the bible”… but aren’t Atheists continually just quoting what scientists say, in which case can’t the same be said of you, that you cannot prove what scientists say by merely quoting them? Or do you, as an Atheist, consider scientific findings/theories to be unquestionable gospel truth, so to speak?

    • admin

      You obviously don’t understand how “science” works. Scientists don’t just make shit up – they observe things. They then share their findings with other scientists, who attempt to prove or disprove their findings. There is a chain of evidence and publications that anyone with the inclination can get access to. So, the answer is no – atheists quoting scientists is not the same as christians quoting the bible.

      • Sev

        I’m not a scientist, so please correct me if you believe I’m wrong!

        I understand that an OBSERVATION comes before a hypothesis, and a HYPOTHESIS comes before a theory, and a THEORY is always subject to change, therefore (as I’ve already tried to explain in a previous comment) science is always inconclusive.

        If science is always inconclusive, as it should be, as it is always subject to change pending any further evidence, then wouldn’t you agree that scientific findings/theories are always questionable?

        • admin

          No, scientific findings/theories are not always questionable. At least, not in the way you are insinuating. A more detailed explanation may be revealed, but rarely (if ever) is a working theory thrown out because it’s proven to be false.

          Let’s take gravity as a simple example. The current “theory” of gravity accurately explains the attraction between bodies. A more detailed explanation may be discovered at a later date, but the theory we have today, and all the math behind, will still be correct.

          I don’t know why you’re arguing this point – if we return to christianity as the topic of discussion, there is little (if any) evidence Jesus even existed, outside of the one book. A book written when people through the world was flat. Flat, AND the centre of the universe.

          The Bible was written, then edited, then rewritten, then rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, the re-re-re-re-rewritten again… all based on stories that were told orally, 30 to 90 years AFTER they happened…to people who didn’t know how to write… so…?

          • Sev

            QUESTION/s re previous comments by “admin” in relation to similarity/criticism about Christians quoting the Bible and Atheists quoting Scientists:

            Is there any Scientist’s book in particular that you and Atheists in general mostly read/quote, or do Atheists constantly change what and who they quote according to new findings/theories?
            If so, isn’t it true that Atheists are also constantly changing what they believe/disbelieve?

            If through the years Atheism has been so inconsistent and changeable, could you clarify exactly what do Atheists believe/disbelieve in 2013?

          • http://www.religiouscriticism.com/ Religious Critic

            You’re so close Sev, you’ve almost got it!

            It’s true, we are constantly changing what we believe/disbelieve, based on evidence and discovery. It’s called science. Scientists are personally offended when they are proven wrong – it’s an exciting time, because now they have a better understanding of what they had been studying.

            The reason I say you can’t prove the bible by quoting the bible is because it’s circular logic – the bible is true because the bible says so. With science, there is no one book or reference we use – our understanding is based on research, experimentation and overwhelming evidence. Each new discovery is based on some previous discovery. Sometimes our understanding of a certain aspect of the world around us is refined based on some new discovery, but it is almost never completely thrown out.

          • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

            Atheists do not BELIEVE anything.
            A – without
            theist – gods

            The ONLY characteristic of atheism is this: there’s no evidence for any god. Period.

            When there is evidence – testable, falsifiable evidence – every atheist will cease to say there is no evidence AND every “believer” will cease to believe because the thing will be shown to be true and we will all then KNOW.

        • Sean Lee Walthour

          Ummm, science isn’t always inconclusive, if it never solved a problem, how did we invent the internet you are using? Hmmm

    • Ryan

      Are you a fucking moron?

      • Sev

        Oh!… Nice One.

        I was waiting for someone like you to come along…… Thanks, Ryan!

        (at least “admin” appears somewhat intelligent)

        I REST MY CASE

        • alan

          Ur statement is so fucking nonsensical that u deserve to b called a moron….how do u compare a sci fi book to what scientist claim after conducting actual research and thousands of experiments..someone once said that there are 2 things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and im not so sure about the universe.

    • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

      Yea, because there is EVIDENCE for scientific theories.

      And YEAH, scientific theories and findings SHOULD be questioned. The goal of science is to disprove its theories in order to develop better understandings and new/better theories. That’s the whole point of science! religion??? “Don’t dare ask a question or you’ll burn in hell. Just do with the invisible man says,son.”

    • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

      Um Sev?… there’s not a scientist on the planet who uses their own writing to prove their own writing… HOWEVER, science DOES use its own experiments to prove themselves – which is to say repeated testing must provide the same result every time in order for the developed/developing theories to hold. But that is also an interesting thing because the point of repeated testing is to find the FAILURES, because it is the failures science seeks – they are what make for better science and better theories, ultimately. A failure allows the development of a new hypothesis as to WHY there was a failure, which leads to a new path of research and testing.

      As for the bible, you cannot say, “the bible is true because it says it is true,” as that is not a falsifiable statement. In order for anything to be true, it must be subject to outside verification. Where that concerns the bible, there is almost no verified history in it and many of the characters never existed, if outside evidence is to be relied on as corroboration.

      I know this is too long for you to read….

    • Rational E.T.

      The difference is that scientific findings have some physical evidence/reproducibility character, and are submitted to critical examination all the time.

  • Sev

    OK!… “if we return to christianity as the topic of discussion”…

    We all have freewill, and for better or for worse, freewill serves a purpose for everyone, including for Atheists. I don’t know why some Christians think it’s their duty to force or shove Christianity down another person’s throat, which infringes on freewill… but aren’t Atheists also to blame if they continually ask for proof/evidence of God and give a misleading impression that they’re interested, which encourages certain Christians?

    Personally, I simply don’t understand how anyone can logically ignore the possibility that something Greater is at work beyond physical reality, and beyond human comprehension… but should what I personally believe in, be a problem for you or for other Atheists?

    NO PROBLEM …as long as we respect each others individual rights!

    • mdx_jsilver

      Yes, it is a problem. Because you a liable to spread the beliefs to other people, who will then start thinking incorrect things about Science, something very concrete and that has gotten us very far. Science got us everything technology has to offer, including the computer you use to type your laughable comments. What has religion gotten us. A book of lies, and army of uneducated warmonger followers and not much else.

    • Daniel

      How to logically ignore the possibility that something greater ect: There is a possibility that I’ll be bitten by a rabid monkey, eaten by a tiger, or smashed by a falling piano, ect. if I leave my house tomorrow. However, concerning myself with such improbable events actually creates more and trouble than what my concern prevents.
      Now, apply this thinking to the something greater (calling it Cake). If Cake does exist it either doesn’t care and just lets nature run its course or it has taken an attitude of noninterference and is letting nature run its course. Our natural record of Cake’s coexistence with reality shows no deviation from this trend. So, just like I won’t concern myself with hungry tigers, rabid monkeys, or falling pianos I won’t concern myself with Cake. The chances of Cake changing its attitude simply because I leave my house are too slim to worry about.

      What does worry me is that my country is guided by the principles of people who believe an eternal Cake cares about them enough to fudge reality.

      • Sev

        Fair Enough!… Daniel, you have the freewill and the right to live as you please, as long as your actions don’t infringe on the rights of others.

        I don’t believe it’s a biblical concept to force Christianity onto anyone, or else freewill serves no purpose… but neither should Atheism be pushed or forced.

        We all have INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS …..
        We are all entitled to the Right to Life, Dignity, Justice, Freedom, etc… and regardless of sex/gender, race, religious beliefs, or lack of, our freewill to make choices should NEVER infringe on the Rights of others.

        • Pookie Ray

          Christianity was forced onto everyone, not to sound racist, everyone who wasn’t white and even then I can’t say some whites weren’t forced into it.

        • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

          The bible expressly requires christians to go out and convert others. So yes, there is a biblically-based imperative that christians impose their beliefs on others.

          • Bill Smith

            Jesus told his disciples to leave a town and shake the dust off there feet if people rejected the Gospel. In other words move on and let them be. We share the Gospel, we are not called to force the gospel, (though many people do try to force it).

  • Ang

    I’ve been hearing a lot about this subject in recent years on History and the radio. Just now I’m looking for more detailed info. I even read somwhere that the Hebrews were a warrior tribe (I think Greek texts may have been cited) that the Egyptians contracted as mercenaries. The Hebrews grew dissatisfied with the arrangemet and left. I don’t know if that’s true. Still, it’s an interesting thought.
    I read your whole entry (unlike some other folks). Trying to get the word out, when you feel your fellow man is being lied to, is to be admired. We shouldn’t be afraid to question authority. Critical thinking…truth seeking…those are wonderful things. Religions tend to encourage followers to be sheep…to accept being treated like children. I’m glad we’re both adults. In future you may want to be more careful with your language. People who’s minds are closed to anything contradictory to their current world view find faulty word choices or sloppy blanket generalizations and use them to discredit authors. It is a well known way to win a fight. When you can’t (for lack of a better term) “disprove” the facts make the fight about your foe and the way he/she is fighting instead. Just submit the facts along with peer-reviewed evidence as plainly as possible. Keep opinion to a minimum. If folks won’t accept the findings presented in academic journals then you are not going to be able to change their minds. They do not think they are right; they believe they are right. Those are two very different things, and the latter is covered in psychological red tape. I wonder if these anti-science folks have considered that antibiotics, vaccines, municiple water sanitization, and the very internet we are all using would not be without scientific reason. If folks trust the findings of “big science” so little perhaps they should try going without those things. Perhaps prayers will cure strep throat? I guess it’s possible, but I’ll stick with the antibiotics if you don’t mind. :)

  • Tom Skylark

    Genesis 41:30 records a 7 year famine. Genesis 41:57 states the famine was worldwide.

    The first Shang Dynasty emperor Cheng Tang recorded the 7 year famine when he first became emperor of China in his first 7 years reigning.

    Amorite Babylonian king Abi-Eshuh damed up the the Tigris river to starve out the Sealanders who had invaded southern Babylonia during the global famine.

    Grant Jeffery mentioned the Yemen Stone found in a rich woman’s tomb where she sends her servents to buy grain from Joseph during the worldwide famine.

    Babylon, China and Yemen all show there was a worldwide famine at the time Joseph was governor over Egypt.

  • Jezebeelzebub

    just so you know, it IS possible to celebrate Passover without drinking the Kool-Aid. I’m Jewish and I celebrate the holy days, and I do it because it’s what my family does- what they have always done- because it is tradition. and I see nothing wrong with that. okay, so the slavery in Egypt never happened. but you know what did? lots of persecution. do you want to know what I see when I light the Shabbos candles? I see a line behind me of men and women who had to eat a lot of shit to get me where I am. they were people who endeavored to persevere in the face of adversity. they stayed true to their roots when it sure as hell was inconvenient for them, and when I get all Jewwy wit it, THAT is what I’m doing. I’m giving props to the ones who came before me- maybe not as far back as friggin Egypt, but I still feel like it’s legit. SO THERE!

  • http://www.coverers.co.uk/ Alan (aladon1965)

    Some interesting facts you chose to ignore. http://www.truthnet.org/Biblicalarcheology/4/lifeinegypt.htm

    • http://www.religiouscriticism.com/ Religious Critic

      You realize most of these “facts” point back to the bible as “evidence”..?

  • Pookie Ray

    That totally makes sense that only an educated person can tell us what God meant when he said this or that and in the mean time Jesus is running around with the poor, diseased, beggars and prostitutes

  • http://www.stupid-files.blogspot.com WriterWriter

    Um Brendan, yes, footnoted references ARE a correct way to cite information…

    Jesus is ALLEGED to have spoken. There is NO EVIDENCE that character was real. None.

    It is NOT extremely hard to find text or pottery older than 3000 years. You obviously have never been to England….

    And yes, they are Absolutely contradictions of the sort “god says this is good,” followed by “god says this (same thing) is bad.”

    Dude. Seriously. Google it.

  • Bill Smith

    The Old Testament is a book of faith, but also the main historical record of the Jewish people. Pretty soon people will say that Abraham wasn’t really the father of the Jews and they never really lived in Israel. Come on people. If the exodus was not true, 2 million Jewish people would have known it, all their neighbors would have known it, and generations of people to follow would have made fools of them for saying it was true. Everybody back then knew it happened, (or they were extremely accommodating). The modern critics are a little late to be jumping in trying to say it never happened…about 3500 years late!

  • smsavoy

    Yes, Africans owned slaves. if you go back two thousand years, slavery was pretty much universal: the Aztecs, the Romans, the Greeks, the Persians, the Indians, the Chinese – and the Africans: everyone practised it. One of the most widely known example of slavery is the Egyptian enslavement of Jews. The story of Moses leading his people out of slavery and to(but not into)the promised land.
    In the seventeenth century, North African slavers – the ‘Barbary Corsairs’ – enslaved large numbers of white Europeans, sometimes carrying off entire villages from Ireland and West of England – Africans enslaving Europeans! (See the book, White Gold, by Giles Milton.) None of which lessens the atrocity of the African slave trade, with something like 7 or 8 million black Africans transported to America. But it is crucial for those of African descent to understand that slavery is not something that only Africans have suffered. It has been a universal evil.
    Only in the 18th and 19th centuries did the British, primarily, begin to oppose the slave trade. During the American War of Independence, many black Americans fought FOR the British, AGAINST American Independence, on this account. Eventually slavery was diminished and finally stopped altogether.
    Or was it? If slavery continues to exist anywhere in the world, alas, it continues in Africa. In Mauretania, black servants of Arab masters are treated virtually as slaves, and reports of the same emerge frequently from the Sudan, whose long civil war is essentially a war of a Muslim Arab elite against a black Christian populace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24sPWwoy3s JUST GOT FREE FROM MUSLIM. ALL THE MIDDLE EAT THAT ARE MUSLIMS COUNTRY ARE ENSLAVED MY MUSLIMS AND BLACK MUSLIMS…ALL I CAN SAY IS DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER IS NOT TO LET THESE PEOPLE START SHEREE LAW BETTER YET KEEP OUT IF U CAN
    YES JEWS WERE SLAVES YES THE BLACKS ARE STILL SLAVES SINCE 610 A.D. AND YOU CAN FIND THE INFORMATION ON WEB IN BOOKS .

  • smsavoy

    And the came the 600 A.D. Arabia’s muslim and made them convert to muslims jihad enslave the blacks and made them slaves they are still muslims jihad slaves and are torcher and they have sheree law ..

    North African slavers – the ‘Barbary
    Corsairs’ – enslaved large numbers of white Europeans, sometimes carrying off
    entire villages from Ireland
    and West of England – Africans enslaving Europeans! (See the book, White Gold,
    by Giles Milton.) None of which lessens the
    atrocity of the African slave trade, with something like 7 or 8 million black
    Africans transported to America.
    But it is crucial for those of African descent to understand that slavery is
    not something that only Africans have suffered. It has been a universal evil.

    Only in the 18th and 19th centuries did the British, primarily, begin to oppose
    the slave trade. During the American War of Independence, many black Americans
    fought FOR the British, AGAINST American Independence, on this account.
    Eventually slavery was diminished and finally stopped altogether.

    Or was it? If slavery continues to exist anywhere in the world, alas, it
    continues in Africa. In Mauretania, black
    servants of Arab masters are treated virtually as slaves, and reports of the
    same emerge frequently from the Sudan,
    whose long civil war is essentially a war of a Muslim Arab elite against a
    black Christian populace.

  • Tom

    So much apologist butthurt in here…

  • Christina Elizabeth Burton

    Ummm….. I did Google it and guess what. Read the following website:
    http://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match

    So I guess since it’s on the internet– it’s true now right? Point
    is if God wanted everything to be proven and EASY to believe- there
    would be no such thing as faith.

  • Mike

    “The Jews Were Never Slaves in Egypt”

    Neither were the other eleven tribes

  • Bermicourt

    It’s a bold statement to say “it never happened”, particularly as there are huge gaps in our knowledge of Egypt at that time. Nevertheless there are fragments of evidence that may indicate the presence of Israelites in a part of Egypt, of which the best known is the Merneptah Stele which tantalizingly refers to a people called the Habirus (spot the similarity to Hebrews!). So as far as the scholars are concerned the jury’s still out.

  • Eseosa Obadiaru

    In this age of wide spread knowledge via globalization, it will be pitifull for statements to be made without rigorous scientific investigation. Rigour is part of science and the write up above seem not to have undergone it. Falacious statements tainted with one sided perception and religious/anti-religios sentiment in unhelpful and retrogressive to any reseacher, especially in this age. The writer should be aware that the Bible is the only book that gives a reasonable account of creation. It is also the single most relevant book since the begining of time. And “unbiased” scientist agree to it infact validating facts and truths writing in it. There have been several attempts by many to destroy it but(both phsically, verballyand otherwise) but,it has mysteriously survived. Please tell me how. The dead sea scrolls found in 1947 matches with the present day bible, after being hidden in a caves for well over a thousand years (from the Romans and others who desired to destroy it). What of newer scrolls being found by archeologist. These scrolls have been tested using radiocarbon dating methods, showing that they were writing long before the birth of Jesus. If you say the Bible is false, is the radio carbon method false? was the the discovery false?, can archeology be lying? Please find out! how come a book, so old accurately contain the names of towns cities and villages which are still in existence today. How can a book that is false contain the beliefs of a people you see today. How can a book that is false acurately talk about the politics of the world and predict the future, before science evolved. How come? How come? Please lets do our research very well with an open mind in search of TRUTH before writing and blogging. Thank you.

  • Yisroela

    Perhaps if the Egyptian authorities actually allowed anyone on archeological digs, we’d have the “evidence”

  • Yisroela

    There is absolute proof of Biblical accuracy found within Pharaoh’s papyrus scrolls that tells stories about plagues throughout the land of Egypt, the Nile turning to blood and water turning to blood everywhere, herds of the field being smitten by hail, the land being overcome by a thick darkness and the death of the firstborn of Egypt. You discount the Biblical account, now what say you of the account written within actual Egyptian history that correlates the Biblical accuracy? The findings I speak of are the result of research conducted by Dr. Galit Dayan. She has a Ph.D. in Egyptology.

  • Yisroela

    Those who actually read the Torah know that it never mentions the pyramids. Our ancestors were brickmakers and field workers. And with that, slavery suddenly seems more plausible. There were always slaves in Egypt. Amongst them Hebrew slaves. The Bible mentions that they were engaged in the locations Pythom and Ramses, not in building the Pyramids.

  • Yisroela

    The links selected by the author are only showing one side of the story… Convenient that! We all know that internet is an endless plethora of information – one can find links that suit one’s point/idea while ignoring the opposing view. In this case, the author is so eager to tear down religion and tradition that he chooses to ignore an entire science of archeology and all that has been discovered about Hebrews in Egypt in decades past – before Egyptian authorities shut the gates to any archeological expeditions that contradict their revisionist pseudo-academic version of history.

    “Good scholars, honest scholars, will continue to differ about the interpretations of archaeological remains simply because archaeology is not a science, it is an art. And sometimes it is not even a very good art.”
    - William Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology, University of Arizona

    The proof, among other places, can be found here:
    http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48939077.html

    Lastly, science and religion are not mutually exclusive, nor are at odds these days. The only reason someone may desire to tear down the foundation of the Western civilization we built and live in, is to do away with the morality so well outlined in the 10 commandments. Each revisionist usually has a personal reason. Ultimately, they are afraid that those who still adhere to the basic precepts of Judeo-Christian morality will somehow disapprove of his choices. One feels that he must bend the entire world to his standards. Just another form of dictatorship instead of live and let live. “C’mon, be reasonable – see things my way”

  • RandolphRay

    The book of exodus does not paint the nation Israel in a very good light .
    At all .
    Their leader is a murder who in the end is so disobedient to God that he is
    not even allowed into the promised land .
    The people are so disobedient that on the day the law came down over
    4000 of them were killed because of their sin .
    The rest of them were eventually sentenced to wander the wilderness until they
    died never to enter the promised land .
    I have to ask can anyone name any religious text concocted by the followers
    which portrays said followers so badly ?
    You can’t do it .
    And why do you think you can’t ?