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Why is religion bad?





Today on Twitter, I was asked “Why are you so fixated on religion if you believe it is so untrue?”:

Twitter comment: why is religion bad?

Twitter is an amazing tool for engaging with people in real time, but it’s not brilliant for answering questions like this or really getting your point across, especially when I have a propensity for verbosity. I mean, in less than 140 characters, this guy asked three different questions and made two statements I disagree with absolutely. (And “so untrue”? There are scales of untrue now..?)

So let me attempt to do this query justice and explain in detail why I am so fixated on religion, even though I believe it to be untrue.

Or to put it another way, why is religion bad?

I used to be satisfied just smiling and nodding whenever anyone would begin on the topic of religion. After all, I’m a civilised man – there’s no need to argue with someone over something as frivolous as their supernatural beliefs. I mean, it’s just not polite, is it?

But over time, I started to see what religion is doing to the world in which we live.

I’ll admit, at the grassroots level, it almost seems like a good idea; certainly, harmless enough. Religion provides a good deal of charity to communities, it offers support and guidance to those in need, and it fills advocacy roles which may be missed in government policies.

But at what price?

Before we continue, it’s not my intention to pick on any one religion – most of them have the same attributes: 1) belief in the supernatural, 2) a moral code with supernatural origins, and 3) the need to spread their “truth” to the uninitiated.

The only religion that doesn’t fit the above three characteristics is buddhism. Buddhism’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, is quoted as saying “Don’t become a Buddhist. The world doesn’t need more buddhists. Do practice compassion. The world needs more compassion.” Can you imagine the Pope saying don’t bother becoming a catholic?

(More: Why Buddhism Gets A Free Pass)

But let’s be clear here: christianity is the most pervasive and influential of all the religions, and their fundamentalist members are probably the biggest threat to civilised society. Islam is influential in that civilised society feels the need to tiptoe around their beliefs, and extremist muslims may appear prone to committing acts of violence, but muslims don’t hold the same amount of sway as christians do in the west.

So back on point: why is religion bad?

Well, here’s the thing – it isn’t so much what a person believes, but what follows as their behaviour that is harmful.

Westboro Baptist Church

We’ve all seen the members of Westboro Baptist Church picketing military funerals, their kids in tow, waving their “God Hates Fags” signs. I think it’s safe to say, everyone outside of the WBC congregation find this behaviour appalling. Most of us would categorise these people as extremists, so perhaps they are an extreme example, but do you reckon they think they’re doing the Lord’s work?

So let’s look at some of the moderates: the Catholic church. They are opposed to using contraception because of a belief that dates back to the first centuries of Christianity, that sex must only be for procreation. Therefore, the only form of birth control permitted is abstinence. This hardline stance lead the current Pope Benedict XVI to claim that the use of condoms could make the African AIDS crisis worse. Every single study (not funded by the Catholic church themselves) has concluded that abstinence-only education does not lead to abstinent behaviour.

In fact, in the United States, where teen pregnancy rates are falling, teen pregnancy is highest in states that only offer abstinence-only education. A lack of sexual education also contributes to the spread of the disease. Abstinence-only is a fundamentalist christian-backed policy, and this abstinence-only education policy is an example of how it hurts society.

Another policy broadly supported by all the Abrahamic religions is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. In this modern age, it is understood that homosexuality occurs naturally, not only in humans, but all the animal species. (Homophobia, however, only occurs in one…) And you know what? There’s nothing that happens between a homosexual couple that doesn’t happen between hetrosexual couples.

But now we are getting closer to what I believe to be the answer to the question: why is religion bad?

As we’ve learned more and more about the world in which we live, the need for a supernatural explanation for questions on where we came from and why we’re here has diminished. It’s known as the “god of the gaps” argument: if science can’t explain how something happened, then god must be the explanation. Two thousand years ago, god was the explanation for a lot of things. These days, god has become an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time goes on.

And thus, as we learn more and more about the universe, our need for a supernatural explanation should be being diminished. Bertrand Russell said, “Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence. It will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.”

It should be fading away, but it’s not.

Religions are fighting back, recruiting the naive and the uneducated, and attempting to discredit the science and have their supernatural explanations taught alongside. For me, this is what makes religion so bad.

Someone didn’t just “make up science” one day. Everything we take for granted today, started out as an observation, which became an hypothesis, which lead to experiments, repeated experiments, the results of which are eventually submitted for peer review. Should the results eventually pass peer review and get published, other scientists (hoping to disprove the results) analyse the data for years, looking for inconsistencies. Should a hypothesis survive this treatment, only then does it become a scientific theory.

So when I hear “Evolution is only a theory” I’m just dumbfounded. That’s exactly right – what’s your point? As Tim Minchin says, “it is only a theory, it’s good that they say that. I think, it gives you hope, doesn’t it? That… that maybe they feel the same way about the theory of gravity, and they might just float the fuck away.”

That’s right, you know? There is just as much evidence for evolution as there is for gravity. Think about that for a minute…

The “creation” theory, on the other hand, does not stand up to peer review, no matter what you’ve learned in church. The bible is not proof of anything, the bible is the claim, or hypothesis. If it were to stand up to scientific scrutiny, I’d be more than happy to look at it, but the simple fact is, it does not.

Penn Jillette says this on the subject of science and religion: “There is no god, and that’s the simple truth. If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly the same way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.”

The Dalai Lama has the right attitude about his religion: “If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change.” All other religions see science as a threat. But a threat to what?

It’s a threat to their vested interest, their way of life, their income, their livelihood. If people stopped going to church, and stopped tithing, religion would shrivel up and die. These new mega-churches don’t pay for themselves, you know..?

I find it ironic that the guy who asked me the question today – @GospelGuidance on Twitter – is launching a new website in the coming weeks which offers “gospel guidance” on a per minute rate, like a spiritual 1900 number… no, that’s not cynical at all!

Creationism is a last ditch effort for religion to remain relevant in an increasingly educated and secular society. While attempting to discredit the science, creationists only manage to muddy the waters, instilling enough doubt in the uneducated masses that their alternate theory might seem just as convincing.

And therein lies the problem. Why is religion bad? After centuries of scientific advancement, there is a movement afoot to drag us backwards so a supernatural belief system can survive another few years before finally fading into obscurity.

It would be a quaint notion, if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s affecting society as a whole: bans on condoms and abortions threaten families; bans on using stem cells holds back medical research; justifying sexism and homophobia create an atmosphere of hate and separation; and forced genital mutilation of children is just about the single most fucked-up, barbaric throw-back to the bronze age I can think of.

Finally, amongst any group, you’re going to have your extremists. Islamic extremists are in the news a lot, but the fact is that it’s right-wing extremists (often fundamental christians) who commit have committed the most acts of terrorism in recent years:

The bottom line is that, as religions attempt to remain relevant, they are – whether inadvertently or deliberately – actually hurting our society.

Richard Dawkins says “I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.” Well that’s true, but I’m afraid religion is far more insidious than just wanting to stick their collective heads in the sand when it comes to the scientific evidence.

Religion matters to me as an atheist because it imposes it’s capricious morals on me in the form of laws.

Religion matters to me as an atheist because it acts to stifle funding for progression in science and technology. For example, religious institutions are pushing to prohibit stem cell research, which is one of the most promising medical fields known to us today.

Religion matters to me as an atheist because it imposes all sorts of psychological turbulence on it’s members, and cages children’s minds with indoctrination.

Religion matters to me as an atheist because atheists are actively discriminated against in supposedly public institutions. Take for instance, the boy scouts – a tax-payer funded institution – which do not allow atheists to take part in it’s program.

Religion is trying to remain relevant by discrediting scientific fact in order to dupe people into believing their lies. Religions are wrong, they are lying to you, and we can no longer afford to smile and nod politely.

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  • http://www.smithware.co.uk James Smith

    This post does well to express many of the reasons why religion is bad.

    One argument that get’s thrown around by theists is that the trouble-makers are an extremist minority. As you point out the extremism is relative to what is considered normal for that religious group. This is simply not the case for society at large. Condoms, abortion and genital mutilation are but a few examples of where attitudes differ between society and religion, with religion being at the extremist end here.

    • http://twitter.com/blamer @blamer

      That “minority” claim is mistaking headcount for impact.

      A tiny number of men are defending their religion violently but the majority are arguing that isn’t the fault of monotheism and its teachings. It seems the majority think those men were born mad — not systematically maddened by violent biblical imagery and divisive rhetoric that teaches insiders that their moral superiority ought to triumph over infidel outsiders.

      Apologists imagine yahweh’s violent words couldn’t encourage violent acts because they cannot imagine mistaking that cruel genesis character for the loving god they have in mind. It’s a failure of their imagination. And dangerously naive.

  • http://theevolvingatheist.wordpress.com/ Joy Lynskey

    Very good post and good read! Thanks! Found you on Twitter and followed you and I will be reading more here!

  • H

    What a wonderfully well written post. Hear Hear! Pardon me if I plagiarize you to all and sundry as I do not have the gift of the gab when it comes to dealing with idiots.

  • ed

    Excellent work. Beautifully put together case articulating many of the things i have always felt but sometimes struggled to put into words. Peace.

  • Paul Whitley

    While mostly well-written, this article takes a lot of liberty with “facts”. Rather than spend an inordinate amount of time tearing down the entire article, I will simply point out the most egregious liberties. Using gravitational theory as a synonym for the Law of Gravity is intellectually dishonest. This is a common practice of those who wish to make their readers feel that theories and laws are the same. Usually, it is to lend undeserved credence to the Theory of Evolution. Unlike evolution, there actually is proven law for gravity. Darwin has not been proven right (or wrong) yet. Therefore, the Theory of Evolution remains theory. Newton’s theories were proven correct. See the difference?

    Each example you give of religion negatively affecting your personal life and well-being is actually an example of government having that effect with one big exception – your claim that the BSA is taxpayer funded is simply not true. Other than that, it is legislation, not religion, that has (diminished your freedom). I find it interesting that you cite the Catholic church’s support for legislation as infringement on your liberties while leaving out mention of a certain piece of legislation that tramples on the Catholic church’s rights. Am I to assume that you only support protecting some people’s rights – in this case secular Atheists?

    Your two citations are links to other opinion pieces with no facts or statistics, but we’ll still discuss them. The article on Pope Benedict, which you misquoted, has no mention of him saying “condoms could make the African AIDS crisis worse”. His actual quotes from the article are in reference to “the distribution of condoms” and the “contraception mentality” – both of which are easily interpreted as a free pass to promiscuity. I’ll not argue that condoms, when properly used, are highly-effective at the prevention of disease and pregnancy. Will you admit that abstinence, also properly applied, is the only method with a 100% effective rate of prevention? The pope is right. But, just as you accuse the faithful of attempting to discredit science, you attempt to discredit him in order to make your position seem more viable. The article you linked to about teen pregnancy was devoid of any statistics or verifiable facts. Again, the only “argument” against abstinence that anyone can come up with is that it won’t be followed. The prophecy is self-fulfilled by those who encourage distribution of condoms and advance the “contraception mentality”. The closest thing you offer to factual support is a vague bar graph put out by propagandists (thinkprogress and CAP, both) using information from, among other sources, the SPLC.

    You can dislike the morality that comes with following a religious faith all you want. But, be honest in your discourse and refrain from making yourself appear to be a victim of organised religion. It’s just not so.

    • Kaleb Thomas

      Wow, is all I have to say. Thank you for sticking up for what I feel has been unrightly attacked.

    • @b

      You might think it’s crude to lump newbie evolution in with good old gravity, but compared to any ancient biblical guesswork on the origin of species, we think by now academia has pretty much got christendom beat. History is telling us that natural selection is no flash in the pan liberal fad at increasing risk of being debunked and abandoned.

      You want to say christendom isn’t democracy but you neglect the historical fact that they share a common ancestor. If monotheism ever becomes apolitical then you’ll have a point. Until then we see your pope wants his god’s laws to be state laws that’re binding on noncatholics. That’s a bad idea. And undemocratic.

      Your pope is no more an authority on sex than you are. Let’s leave it at that.

      Let the victims tell their stories. Organised religion has its victims, make no mistake. It’s teaching of an antichrist that’s external is yet another bad idea. And most unethical.

      • Thinkingonwhy

        What many people here do not realize is that not all Christians (most in fact) assume that everything in the bible is fact. Even the Vatican has acknowledged evolution to be true. They say that it is TRUE, even science has not gone as far as to say this, it merely acknowledges it as a theory. People need to realize that religion does not mean disregarding science. My personal belief is that God used science to create and shape the universe. The laws of the universe were the tools of creation. If God is all powerful and omnipotent, then why can’t he create the universe in a more complex way than humans could ever imagine. Creating the universe with a snap of his fingers is a human way of understanding it. Creating the universe with laws to define it is something that humans could never understand. Science is the pursuit of understanding the universe. Science is simply an attempt to understand how God created it. Whether you believe in God or not you can never understand the complexities of God or the complexities of the universe.

    • skeptic4321

      1) “Darwin has not been proven right (or wrong) yet”

      Please read Darwin’s Ghost – An Update On the Origin of Species and get back with us.

      2) Although the commentary about the Pope may not optimal, the fact remains – the Catholic Church has had significant adverse influence with respect to reproductive rights, especially in Africa. And today, in America, Christian theocrats are passing abstinence only education (TN, etc) despite the overwhelming evidence it is ineffective.

      3) Although people like to make an association, morality is not derived from religion and religion is not necessary for morality – especially Christianity, with “beliefs” in a an ancient book written by primitive, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, magical thinking, scientifically illiterate men (full of contradictions and scientific, historical, and logical errors), a virgin birth, imaginary beings (a triune god and Jesus included), vicarious redemption via human sacrifice predicated on animal sacrifice, heaven/hell, magical thinking/prayer, etc.

      • Thinkingonwhy

        When attacking religion (specifically Christianity) it is a good idea not to go after the Bible. This is a book of stories that have been around for over 2000 years. People like you who say that the Bible is bad or no longer needed are horribly misguided. To start off let’s look at the word “Bible.” It literally means the book. It has lead humanity into a more intelligent age. Before the bible became translated into several languages, hardly anybody could read, but as soon as it was translated, that is when humanity began to move forward. We moved out of the dark ages. The Bible, whether you like it or not, may have saved humanity. Not our souls but as an actual species, it lead us to higher thinking and education. The very medium that you are making your argument upon is made possible by the Bible.

        In addition to this you have obviously not read the Bible. It is not a set of guidelines for how to live our lives. There is a very different message behind it. The Bible tells us not to judge one another, not to hurt one another. If the core message of the Bible was followed by all we would have a world free of wars, poverty, and injustice.

        Choosing to disregard the Bible is a completely awful mistake. Much of our culture is based upon the ideas within it. That is why presidents are sworn in upon it, courthouses take their oaths by it. It is a collection of stories and principals designed to show that man has evil within him, but there is also something within us as a species that compels us to create something better in ourselves. Whether you call that God or something else is up to you, but the Bible is physical proof that humanity has the power and will to improve.

    • Jim

      ………”Darwin has not been proven right (or wrong) yet. Therefore, the Theory of Evolution remains theory. Newton’s theories were proven correct. See the difference?”……….

      I stopped reading your post after this, but wanted to do you a favor because I’m concerned you go around spreading this rubbish to innocent kids…

      Evolution has been observed and proven…..
      To cite one of many recent observations please Google Northern European Lactose Tolerance as a mutation that has occurred in the last 10,000 years.

      Can’t stand people like you who speak with such certainty about something they know NOTHING about

      Please READ more before you fill more heads with your own agenda and nonsense!!

      • Vval

        “you go around spreading this rubbish to innocent kids”…. newsflash buddy, churches and uneducated, misguided/mistaught parents fill their kids heads with lies and fantasy…encouraging them to do the same in their lives. It seems to me that with or without this article kids all over the world are having their heads filled with rubbish….daily

    • Ben Maillet

      I was going to read your entire comment, but stopped after the first paragraph. You managed to make a complete idiot out of yourself with shocking efficiency, how you described “theory” comparing gravitational theory with the law of gravity. The actual definition of “theory” is not the coloqueal meaning being “a guess.” To save myself the time and trouble of denouncing you, evolution is not “just a theory.” That is a statement comparable to calling Eurasia and island (Hank Green). With the help of modern medical advancements we are now able to prove evolution through direct observation in humans. What the fuck do you think vaccinatins are for.
      God damn creationists.

      • Thinkingonwhy

        I am sorry but while your intentions are correct, your conclusion and facts are wrong. A theory is an idea that has been tested and observed many many times to the point where it is almost fact. Evolution is a theory because we have no way of actually going back in time and proving completely, and without any doubt, that we are the product of evolution. Yes there is lots of evidence that points to evolution being true, there is not any way that we can prove it to be unquestionably true, after all for the longest time it was considered fact that the earth was flat. That is something we know know to be untrue. For all we know there could be a different solution that has not yet crossed our feeble brains. Lastly we can not “prove evolution,” we can back up the theory but we can not actually prove it. Lastly, what do vaccinations have to do with evolution? Those are weaker versions of a disease that allow our bodies to adapt to the disease. It could be the result of evolution but there is no way that it proves it. Also, if you want to be seen as credible, refrain from using words such as “fuck”

        • Christian Vera

          Are you kidding me ? Creating a vaccine has EVERYTHING to do with evolution. Most advances in biological sciences(the mainstay of the entire medical care industry) have to do with evolution. Many scientific theories are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). Like these other foundational scientific theories, the theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence. However, like all scientific theories, the theory of evolution is subject to continuing refinement as new areas of science emerge or as new technologies enable observations and experiments that were not possible previously. At this point, the theory of evolution in its core concept is UNDENIABLE. The only reason anyone would go about denying it is simply because that person isn’t educated in this subject matter. Many of you don’t even understand the difference between a theory(Oxford definition) and a scientific theory. Before you go about dismissing evolution, understand that it is a very complicated/complex subject. Before dismissing it, DEVELOP A KEEN UNDERSTAND OF IT. All of you seem to forget that the only true reason you believe in a god is because of how you were raised and that is as far as it goes. If you guys were born into a Hindu family/society, you guys would be arguing for Hinduism and its story. If you were born into a Muslim family/society, you would preach Islams story. The same goes for every theist religion. The only thing religion does for anyone is expose ones weakness and feebleness and slow down the progress of a society that should be much further in its advancement.

          “There is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact” – H.J. Muller

        • Jordan

          … People didn’t think the earth was flat for “the longest time.”
          The ancient Greeks knew the earth was round.

    • AY

      Paul Whitley: I am a physicist and part time philosopher. I think you are misinformed on some points. Allow me to elaborate.

      1) Science cannot prove theories correct. Science can only definitively disprove. To prove something correct, you would have to disprove everything not correct, the total of which is unknowable (Or at least it’s unknowable to know that we know everything).
      Thus, that which cannot be disproven is assumed to be true and correct. After some arbitrary amount of time, people start calling it a “law”, but it is no different from what it was. Some people even start assuming it was proven correct. But tomorrow someone could explain gravity in a different way, and there would be a new theory of gravitation, with the old one dead. That is the way of science, nothing is sacred or law.
      So you err by saying “the Theory of Evolution remains theory. Newton’s theories were proven correct.”
      They are both in fact, just theories. It is my opinion that attempting to devalue evolution by claiming the theory is less valid than any other theory is the real example of intellectual dishonesty.

      2) The BSA may not be completely tax payer funded, but they do receive some tax payer funds, as well as association with the military and the president. You can also read the appropriation bills and find earmarks for some BSA groups. You can find more facts on this from: http://secular.org/news/government-funding-boys-scouts-discriminatory-policies-unacceptable .

      3) As for the abstinence only argument and facts, you can find the top 10 states with highest teen pregnancy rates here:
      http://americanlivewire.com/top-10-states-with-highest-teen-pregnancy-birth-rate/
      and you can find how many of them do not include contraception (only abstinence) in their sex education courses here:
      http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_SE.pdf
      Compare them and you will find, as I did, that 7.5/10 on the list teach abstinence only, with the .5 due to one state allowing contraception education with approval from the state department of education. From that, you will at least have some evidence to decide for yourself.

      4) I did enjoy your arguments that his arguments have no proof.
      However, you seem to have failed to realize that you cannot disprove anything without proof.
      Thus, arguing that what he says is wrong simply because he has no proof or facts is not enough to be an argument by itself – you must have proof to the contrary.

      5) This might be a low blow, but if abstinence were 100%, Jesus wouldn’t have been born. haha XD

      • AG O’Neill

        “If abstinence were 100% Jesus wouldn’t have been born”

        Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit. No sex involved. Read a Bible? LOL.

        Also, it remains that gravity can be objectively tested, quantified, observed. We can put numbers with gravity. Evolution is still speculation based on evidence, but can’t be tested, observed, repeated, or quantified. Huge difference.

        • QuébecCityOliver

          Genetics are a test of evolution. Genetically modified organism are repeatable and observable.

          Dogs and apples and indeed all life is proof of the theory of evolution.

          No amount of proof proves Gravity (since it is a theory).

  • Garry Jones

    very well said and extremely good information.

  • ???? Anon

    religion is wrong because:
    it screws with children’s minds
    its an excuse to kill people
    your forced to drown your children
    exposure to high voltage
    male genital mutilation is practiced (foreskin is an important part of the body)
    only insane people believe in it
    make babies is practically a law for them
    im sure some pope in history said KILL THE NON BLIBERS BBQwaffles
    make babies
    overpopulate
    become parasitic to the environment
    kill people (again)
    say the god created universe and pulled eve out of yo chest (in reality females make males to continue genes)
    KILL THE NON BLIEBERS
    excuse to control people
    “in order to follow religious people you have to close your eyes cover your ears and stop thinking”
    its an excuse to find hope in the darkness of aloneness
    make moar babies
    baptize babies the ones that drown r evul
    circumcise baby cuz god said so
    gouge your eyes out cuz its part of your religion
    stay bald foever cuz its your religion
    EAT BIRDS
    EAT EVERYTHING
    canablismmm is bad die fo evulness/ (meanwhile) lets drown babies!

    • rock

      Wow are you stupid.

  • Mae

    Oh stop trying to tell people how to run their lives. I would call myself a atheist or whatever. I don’t care what people do in their lives. I don’t go telling people what they are doing is wrong. I hate when people do that to me. As humans, we have flaws; some bigger than other but oh well. One of you will rebuttal this I am sure of it. I don’t care go ahead its your natural right. Anger is great way to get your Internet thoughts out.

  • AuSt1N1811

    Even though it was wrong in places and mostly opinionated it really helped with a paper I’m writing for class. You should probably cite better and put the actual information down instead of misleading people. Besides that there are Christians that have degrees in science I know a few and planned to do that myself until i got interested in psychology. Quite a few believe in the evolution of animals so you shouldn’t use that as an argument. I liked your opinions though.

  • Alistair

    I personally feel that this post, and many of the subsequent comments, are offensive to myself as a religious person. I am an Episcopalian Christian and I am not a right-wing extremist. I affirm the use of contraceptive care, abortion, and gay marriage, and I speak out against the attempts by people to hurt those who believe the same as I do. I have met Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, and others who, despite what their religion states, believe in the same things as I do. Please, for the love of humanity, DO NOT group me and my friends with these extremists. It is rude and shows a scintillating lack of understanding about various groups that do not stay with the “main stream”

  • Tim Underwood

    Belief, or faith, is not just an unfounded belief. It is pretence. It is pretending to believe things that are usually unknowable, when it is clear that you cannot know. “Pretending to know things” is done because of a fear of a threatened vicious reprisal, or in some cases, out of a desire to manipulate othe

  • skeptic4321

    “I affirm the use of contraceptive care, abortion, and gay marriage”

    What are the official positions of your particular religion here?

    “Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Jews, and others who, despite what their religion states, believe in the same things as I do”
    Those aren’t religious “beliefs.” The article is dealing with religion and what it “teaches.” “Christianity” is essentially defined by these “core” beliefs – “beliefs” in a an ancient book written by primitive, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, magical thinking, scientifically illiterate men (full of contradictions and scientific, historical, and logical errors), a virgin birth, imaginary beings (a triune god, for most, and Jesus included), vicarious redemption via human sacrifice predicated on animal sacrifice, heaven/hell, magical thinking/prayer, etc. Is it fair to “lump you in” with the people that believe these things?

  • Thinkingonwhy

    While this is well written it makes one very big argumentative error. You are attempting to use ethos and pathos appeals to create a logical argument. This does not work. Your facts are not all true, you do not cite your information most of the time. Now aside from this error there are some other problems with your argument.
    I completely understand your point of view but there are many assumptions that you are making. For one thing you and frankly many other anti religious bigots (yes I realize this word is extreme but let’s look at what bigot means: big·ot [big-uht]
    noun, a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. ) do not take into account the true core ideas of religion. Most religious people are not creationists. Most people who are religious do not commit acts of terrorism. You are under the impression that religion is contradictory to science. I am a protestant christian. I believe in evolution theory, I believe in dinosaurs and I believe that the universe is billions of years old. I also believe that there is a god, reading scripture shows that my understanding, and your understanding and everyone else’s understanding of God is incomplete, unfinished, and no where close to what God truly is. Now to explain why I believe in God, scripture and evolution, let me explain how these fit together. let’s go back two thousand years, science is virtually nonexistant. Try explaining how life evolved over millions of years to people who have no understanding of science. They would refute any claims one made about evolution. Even the scientific minds (as few as they were) back then would deny it as untrue. What you need is a story that people can understand. A story of how the universe was created over comprehensible period of time (most people would not even understand the concept of a billion years). Modern religious beliefs tell us that the stroy of Genesis was created to help man understand that at one point there was no life and now there is, how man at one point was no smarter than animals, but at some point something clicked, we ate the fruit of knowledge, we evolved.
    Finally I would like to tell a personal story from my childhood to explain why people believe in religion. When I was ten I had a friend (my age) who had cancer. He had it for years. As time went on he lost his eyesight. He lost his hair, his own sister who he absolutely loved, was to scared to see him. His cancer was terminal. He was hardly scared though. Now, when there is a ten year old boy who knows that he is going to die, who is not afraid to die, there has to be something divine at work. How else can someone who has not yet lived half a live be ready to leave this world? He believed, he believed so much that he KNEW (not thought, thought brings doubt) he knew that he was going to see God. This was a boy that loved TV, he wanted to be an actor, he watched MASH and when he could not see the show anymore he listened. He acted in his school play even though he could not see his family in the audience. He was in the boy scouts and wanted to become an Eagle Scout. Now with all of this life that he wanted to live, he could not live it. On Christmas eve he was lying on the couch and his mom walked in, he told her he was going home, and he smiled. This was the last thing he ever said. He was already in his home, he was not on all kinds of medications so he knew what he was saying. Now tell me how could science have brought this kind of serenity to a dying boy? Science can not bring us the strength to look in the face of our own death and smile. Religion brought him peace in his last hours, he knew that he was going to be alright.
    Now if religion does not belong in this world any longer you are telling me that my friend, a boy only ten years old, should not have had this peace in his death? A boy that wanted to be an actor should die, blind and lost, knowing that once he was gone there would be only darkness. Tell me that religion has no place in this world.

    • Loli

      What if I tell that kid that when he die he was going to have 72 virgins for himself alone, or live forever in a beautiful castle? They will be hopes full of fantasies too, but it’s true that it could provide him some kind of comfort, the same way we will give to a terminal patient a placebo to making him believe that he gets a little bit less pain, less discomfort, and maybe get a little better. It’s true that hey are cases when it’s better a compassionate lie than a harsh truth, but in just a very few extreme cases.
      Other appropriate approach could have been telling him that matter and energy they never get destroyed just transformed, and we, humans, are matter and energy and we are going to get transformed, and we don’t know, yet, what will happen after death but still there is a possibility of meet each other again and we will always love him.
      What we are talking here is about a denial of common sense when you accept a non existent supernatural being like the creator of the world and master of your destiny. Don’t get confuse.

    • Jazzy Davies

      Religion has no place in this *modern* world. That kind of serenity can be reached without science – knowing I have lived the best life I could have, without being dependant on others for a moral code, or ancient texts for guidance, just being self-reliant for my goodness and happiness, that brings me serenity. I don’t believe the fairy tale of seeing my relatives again one day, I make the most of them here on earth, and THAT my friend, brings me peace.

  • christine

    Well written, well structured, I like.

  • TBP

    OK first things first great artical. secoundly i would like to say that anyone saying useing the gravitatonal theory was a bad comparison ur on drugs. yes, yes, i know its not proven but evolution shows its self just as aviosly as the gravitational law the law was made through opservation of mass and speed by simpley droping smaller and larger objects and tracking the time it takes to hit the ground and noticeing that extremely large objects with huge mass when in high motions create a stronger pull that a smaller object forceing the smaller object to the larger. As for evolution, by examinating species dna and makeing the dna from others we can see there related, thid is one way of makeing an pro-evolution theory, now idk if anyone else has noticed new species are found every few yearsthat have same basic bulds of animals that have lived for a long amount of time just with added skills or physical trait that was built through living creatures ability to adapt (as the world changes animals change=evoluti

  • TBP

    also just becouse a kid gets peace at his death bed from religon, dosnt mean shit, religon is a type of coruption thats uses insicure people for its own gain and makees them feel peace couse THERE TOLD IT GIVES THEM PEACE and they fall for it couse it they think to them self…..hhmmm… well it worked for them… why not me.

  • TBP

    also one more thing when people start religon they get inspiration so they work harder and do things better FOR SOME RESON religouse people thing they there doing better becouse of god when its really them selfs…. im atheist i was raised all my life christion intill i did my own research and relized just how much the bible contradicts facts, is very raisist, and exstremely sexuas…. i think the bible is like a dr. sues book its very unclear and should be used to learn life lessons not to fallow like robots…. very retarded robots

  • TBP

    Oh and also before u get really into religouse talk read a REAL bible non of the edited for churches one go find one of thoughs big ass old bibles ( sounds shitty butt ive done it 3 times in the passed 2 years) and you will notice in these older less edited versions it clearly states blacks, wemon, and all animals are not alowed in hevean becouse they are ment to be servents on the world and nothing else….. im sorry thats just fucked up

    • Hailey

      where the heck does it say that? give me an exact address from your “real” Bible, and I’ll look at it myself, but I am positive that there is nothing that says anything like that in the Real Bible, what kind of bible are you reading? Yah right I bet you just made that all up, the Real Bible has not been changed at all throughout history except for synonyms n stuff, there have been multiple studies done on that i know for sure.

    • Jules

      TBP–please stop writing comments when you cannot even spell simple words. Your comments look as ignorant as they sound. Go get an education and then maybe your opinion will be respected or you might even have something to say.

    • Michael

      how about a reference? where can we find this ‘evidence’?

  • Athiest23

    I am married to a pentacostal woman…imagine the talks we have…she has no sense of reason when it comes to talking about religion…says she can just feel it…when I try to show her things she ignores it and says that she is tempting the devil by trying to disprove god…wish she would read this smh

    • VapeLife

      Lol I have family members that are pentacostal and I know exactly where you are coming from! They are convinced that anything not lining up with their “religious code” is of the devil! lol

  • Hailey

    So, when you were talking about evolution being way more reliable, then how do you explain animals like the bombardier beetle, which shoot a spray of boiling hot toxic chemicals at it’s predators? The chances that one of these beetles would just ‘decide’ to create toxins is highly unlikely, so how would that evolve? It is entirely different than any other kind of beetle, and evolution makes it nearly impossible for a creature like that to start randomly learning how to create and shoot toxic chemicals from it’s body when it initially never had those toxins or had any way of knowing how to make those toxins.

  • jeebus

    I APOLOGIZE FOR ALL GRAMMATICAL/SPELLING ERRORS IN ADVANCE. I DO NOT WISH TO CRITICIZE OR ATTACK. I JUST WISH TO EDUCATE OR BE EDUCATED ON THIS TOPIC. Please respond with a respectful rebuttal because I am having an inner debate with MYSELF on the relevance and impact of religion on today’s society/culture.

    I want to start off by saying that I am an agnostic. I was brought up hating religion, because my parents forced me to go to church every sunday. As i have gotten older, i have grown curious and more accepting of its morals and beliefs. Having said that, I do NOT see how religion as a whole is hurting society, and do believe it should be taught to those who seek it.
    I can see how religious extremists are an argument for why religion is “bad”, but that is just not the case in reality. There have been WAY more non-religious extremists who have committed far worse atrocities against society then so-called “religious” extremists. The Nazis, Stalin, gangs, druglords, serial-killers, governments, mega-corporations, rapists, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. Pretty much ALL extremists with religious backgrounds disguise their motives and actions as “the lords work” to recruit or give a valid reason for people to obey their orders. That does not mean religion is too blame, just the psychos who use it to their own advantage/agendas. Second of all, what is wrong with abstinence? there is nothing wrong with abstinence, just NOT being abstinent is the problem. THERES A DIFFERENCE. You also said that religion/causes hate and discrimination. That is a lie. EVERY widely-accepted religion teaches peace and tolerance. It is the inaccurate interpretations of uneducated people that CHOOSE to discriminate.
    The last argument is about science. Science, the evolution theory in particular, says that the very first bacteria on Earth spontaneously appeared out of a primordial soup of amino acids and water. There has not been one experiment in the history of mankind that proves this to be remotely close to the truth. In fact, it was quite the contrary, after thousands of experiments this can simply not be recreated. However, everyone just ignores this, and still believes the theory in its ENTIRTY to be 100% true. And yes, maybe a guy in The Bible didn’t live in a whales stomach for a week, but does that mean you can discredit religion as a whole? The Big Bang theory starts out in a dimension of darkness, then all of a sudden a singularity appears out of nowhere, expands rapidly by accident, and becomes everything we know and see today (sounds very familiar, cough “The Bible” cough cough). Where is the scientific proof in that claim? Where are the countless experiments validating that? Yet it is still taught and widely accepted by people as a whole. Today’s more recent science is claiming that other dimensions may exist, and that these dimensions are nothing like our own, do not obey the laws of physics, etc.(also sounds very familiar – heaven/hell). How can anyone prove or disprove a claim like this? Math equations are not enough evidence of their existence, yet they are taught and accepted. Someone literally just thought of this one day and it is now being taught in universities and so on. Some of these theories, string theory, M-theory, are just as far out and as asanine as religion.
    For me, I see science as a way of explaining God’s work, not as a contradiction. Science IS proving that no matter how impossible or illogical somethings seems, it doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t true. If religion is harmful to me or others I would like to know real reasons why it is, other than crazy people take advantage of it to commit evil. People can commit horrible crimes and say it was nationalism, monetary gain, scientific research, etc. just as easily, and targeting religion is hateful, discriminatory and illogical. There have and always will be wars, with or without religion. Religion has nothing to do with it.Thanks and hope to hear something worth reading come out of this…

    P.S. – the Catholic Church is one of the LEAST moderate of all Christian/religious denominations.

  • BTT

    You clearly do not understand the scientific definition of what makes a theory and what makes a law. I can’t blame you for not bothering to find out – the world’s a scary place with an incomplete picture in mind.

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  • Jonah

    Like a great atheist I must to say 4 every1 that keet insisting on the idea that I go to hell just bcause I don’t believe in their god, I WON’T GO TO HELL ‘CAUSE IT LIKE THE HEAVEN DOESN’T EXIST! This is not only a great post it’s a perfect post. On twitter we can’t even answer one madden question. It’s also a great tool to express out what we’re feeling on certain monment, I don it all time. @jonahofficial follow me :)

  • Rafael Moreno

    “Can you imagine the Pope saying don’t bother becoming a catholic?”

    What does The Pope have to do with The Bible, that’s the catholic church, full of doctrines that aren’t even in The Bible, which means they are technically Secular teachings. you aren’t arguing against Christian Theism but against Unbiblical Secular man said laws.

    “Well, here’s the thing – it isn’t so much what a person believes, but what follows as their behaviour that is harmful”

    Then you aren’t arguing against a Christian, The Definition of a Christian is Factually someone who follows YHWH(The Father, and Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit) and doesn’t sin, as The Definition of a Christian comes from The Bible, lets read The Bible for the definition,

    1 John 3:”7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

    and Matthew 7:21, “”Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” – Jesus Christ(YHWH)

    What is The Commandment/Will you have to do to be saved/Christian?

    Matthew 22:34-40 – “34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, [a]a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and [b]foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”” – Jesus Christ(YHWH)

    So a Christian does not sin, anyone who harms another is not a Christian.

    “We’ve all seen the members of Westboro Baptist Church picketing military funerals, their kids in tow, waving their “God Hates Fags” signs. I think it’s safe to say, everyone outside of the WBC congregation find this behaviour appalling. Most of us would categorise these people as extremists, so perhaps they are an extreme example, but do reckon they think they’re doing the Lord’s work? ”

    See Westboro by doing this doesn’t follow The Bible, by not following The Bible Princple of “Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself” and “Do unto others as you would have them do to you”(Matthew 7:12) and have come with their own ideas, this is technically secular.

    “So let’s look at some of the moderates: the Catholic church. They are opposed to using contraception because of a belief that dates back to the first centuries of Christianity, that sex must only be for procreation.”

    Which is nowhere found in The Bible/Scripture which The Catholic Church is supposedly based on, proving Catholic is secular.

    “Abstinence-only is a fundamentalist christian-backed policy, and this abstinence-only education policy is an example of how it hurts society”

    Yet not a BIBLICAL-backed policy, who are you arguing against? The Bible/Christian Religion or the supposed followers? you can’t argue against The Bible here because that isn’t in The Text.

    “Another policy broadly supported by all the Abrahamic religions is the belief that homosexuality is wrong. In this modern age, it is understood that homosexuality occurs naturally in not only humans, but all the animal species. (Homophobia, however, only occurs in one…) And you know what? There’s nothing that happens between a homosexual couple that doesn’t happen between hetrosexual couples.”

    Homosexuality is nowhere found to be a sin in The Bible, Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 for example, do not condemn Homosexuality http://savedbychrist94.blogspot.com/2013/04/homosexuality-is-not-sin-part-1.html, I recommend GayChristian101.com for more.

    So again who do you argue against? The supposed followers who say it’s a sin or The Bible which has nothing to say against Homosexuality?

    “These days, god has become an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time goes on”

    #1, What Scientific Ignorance?

    #2, DNA proves irrefutablely that YHWH exist, One Species has never been observed to evolve into a New/Different Species.

    “And thus, as we learn more and more about the universe, our need for a supernatural explanation should be being diminished. Bertrand Russell said, “Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence. It will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.”

    This is dishonest and pseudo-intellect, brainwashing the masses here with that, you didn’t explain HOW God would be refuted.

    “, started out as an observation, which became an hypothesis, which lead to experiments, repeated experiments, the results of which are eventually submitted for peer review. Should the results eventually pass peer review and get published, other scientists (hoping to disprove the results) analyse the data for years, looking for inconsistencies. Should a hypothesis survive this treatment, only then does it become a scientific theory.”

    Yet One Species has never been observed to evolve into a New/Different Species while Quantum Mechanics refutes materialism and proves Substance Dualism.

    “So when I hear “Evolution is only a theory” I’m just dumbfounded. That’s exactly right – what’s your point? As Tim Minchin says, “it is only a theory, it’s good that they say that. I think, it gives you hope, doesn’t it? That… that maybe they feel the same way about the theory of gravity, and they might just float the fuck away.”

    Problem is that Evolution cannot even be a theory, it cannot be observed, sure we have observed Micro-Evolution, but the hypothesis that Micro results in Macro is pure speculation, unless Macro is Observed it isn’t even a theory.

    ““There is no god, and that’s the simple truth. If every trace of any single religion were wiped out and nothing were passed on, it would never be created exactly the same way again. There might be some other nonsense in its place, but not that exact nonsense. If all science were wiped out, it would still be true and someone would find a way to figure it all out again.”

    Penn messed up, see when you make a claim you have to prove it, for example when I say YHWH exist I have to prove it, when someone says they don’t know, they have no burden, but when someone says there’s no God, they have to prove it, otherwise it’s a mere faith, this is hypocritical.

    “It’s a threat to their vested interest, their way of life, their income, their livelihood. If people stopped going to church, and stopped tithing, religion would shrivel up and die. These new mega-churches don’t pay for themselves, you know..? ”

    What does people trying to make money off have to do with The Bible which argues against this(Paul;s letters, “Love of Money root of evil”)?

    “After centuries of scientific advancement, there is a movement afoot to drag us backwards so a supernatural belief system can survive another few years before finally fading into obscurity”

    #1 Supernatural not only survives but is a Fact due to Quantum Mechanics, this isn’t the 20th century anymore, materialism is dead.

    #2, Where does science prove that YHWH doesn’t exist?

    “It would be a quaint notion, if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s affecting society as a whole: bans on condoms and abortions threaten families;”

    Where does The Bible say to do this?

    bans on using stem cells holds back medical research; justifying sexism and homophobia create an atmosphere of hate and separation; and forced genital mutilation of children is just about the single most fucked-up, barbaric throw-back to the bronze age I can think of. ”

    Where does The Bible say this? Nowhere, it actually argues against it, if you studied Scholarly work you’d know Romans 1 is in FAVOR of Homosexuality, the part which says men went after men is not Paul Speaking but a Hypothetical Jew like in Romans 7, Paul then goes on to refute the hypothetical Jew who says this look up Romans 1 and Wisdom of Solomon,

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/2013/02/who-are-you-o-man-maybe-the-author-of-wisdom-of-solomon.html

    Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” – Jesus Christ/YHWH

    So no those guys did not follow their supposed belief in The Bible, but their own ideas, which is secular(by definition without God or Religion but their own opinions)

    “Religion matters to me as an atheist because it imposes it’s capricious morals on me in the form of laws”

    How is, “Love YHWH(The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit) with all your heart, mind and soul, and Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself” – Jesus Christ(YHWH, The Son), a capricious law?

    “Religion matters to me as an atheist because it acts to stifle funding for progression in science and technology”

    False, No Bible, No Science,

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 “But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;”

    Why would someone who made up something say this? Paul told The Truth, and The Holy Spirit through Him started Modern Science with that.

    Also when you have Substance Dualism, DNA, Qualia, First Uncaused Cause, No proof for evolution(Observation of One Species evolving into a New/Different Species?) then yes The Bible actually advances Science, Atheist and the Fundementalist you argue against(Who lack faith by fearing Science, The Science which PROVES YHWH exist) are holding science back.

    Christians however do as commanded, and test all things, knowing YHWH exists and not denying it because it’s True, not because someone SAYS it;s True because we KNOW it’s true not only in Science, Logic, History, and Critical Thinking but by heart, like we know how to eat.

    Answer this, Scientifically a Cause has Equal/Greater properties than it’s effect, Scientifically and Logically false for a cause to have greater properties than effect(otherwise where did the effect get the properties which the cause doesn’t have? Impossible), how can a Mindless cause, Cause a Mind?

    Scientifically the cause must have the same or greater properties, our cause is a Mind, Theism is a Scientific Fact by basic laws of Science.

    • Guest

      “Homosexuality is nowhere found to be a sin in The Bible, Leviticus 18:22
      and Leviticus 20:13 for example, do not condemn Homosexuality”

      I’m interested in hearing how you’d explain Romans chapter 1 then. I feel you’re seeking ways to make very plain things very ambiguous.

  • Pete

    I imagine that good old Einstein might be rather upset to discover that Newton was proved to be right. He wasn’t, at least with his laws of motion. In as far as they apply but require modification for the very, very fast etc. space travel and satellite communication rather depend on the corrections to Newtionian theory.

    Fact is you can never prove anything. You can only disprove something.
    So, you propose an idea, a theory if you like. To be a law, 3 fundemental things must be valid for the theory to be valid; 1) it must explain past obervations, 2) it must make future predictions. 3) it must not be possible to disprove it.

    Newton’s laws on motion were given the support of the first two, but Einstein was able to disprove them. Newton’s theories because classical because they were mostly right and easy to understand and Einstein’s theories because the new definition.

    A perfect example of science being capable of observing its own limitations and moving forward then.

    As Richard Dawkins once said “Good people will do good things. Bad people will do bad things. But it takes religion to make a good person do bad things”.
    Not all religions people do bad things, but the good ones that do always do so with a religious flag supporting their cause….

    • someone

      a theory is evidence+hypothosis

    • Kevin Charron

      actually it was Stephen Weinberg that said that not Richard Dawkins, Dawkins quoted Weinberg. Just clearing that up

  • Pete

    Another way of looking at this is to accept that lots and lots of people believe in a god.
    Not always the same god.
    So there are lots of gods.
    Generally, people believe in only one god (Catholics proudly claim this!)
    Therefore even religious people refute the existence of many, indeed most gods.

    I happen to believe in only one less than them.

  • AG O’Neill

    If the Christian policy is abstinence only and yet teens still choose to have sex, how is that the churches fault? That’s like blaming the government for people who break laws. It makes no sense. I’m respecting God by maintaining my purity and waiting till marriage to have sex. If other people aren’t doing the same, that’s not the church’s fault. It’s their decision to have sex, not the churches.

    Secondly, you’re blaming extremist behaviors on religions and all their adherents. People of ALL beliefs (athiesm, agnosticism, and non-affiliates as well) have the capacity to behave in extremist ways. It’s not fair of you to cast some sweeping generalization over an entire religion (or religions) just because of the poor choices of specific individuals who subscribe to a faith.

    Thirdly, it’s important to note the difference between claiming to be of a faith and actually being of a faith. Most of the extremist groups out there will claim to be Christian, Muslim, or what have you, but if you actually asked other Christians/Muslims what they think they’d say “Heck, no way he/she’s a Christian/Muslim”.

    Take Westboro Baptist for example. If you examine their doctrine, you’ll find that there is nothing “Baptist” about them. They don’t even follow Christian doctrine or belief.

    Lastly, it’s entirely bogus to compare the Theory of Evolution to the Theory of Gravitation. For starters, we can quantify gravity, test it, repeat those tests, and use what we know of those tests to make accurate predictions. Evolution, however, cannot be repeated, readily observed, quantified, or tested. Evolution will not be given “Law status” like gravity has. How can someone say that evolution is some sort of law when we can’t see it, test it, repeat it, or quantify it…

    Also, before people start smack-talking me because of my views on Evolution, please be sure to look up the definitions of “proof” and “evidence”. Big difference there.

    • Michael

      1: the article says that christian establishments primarily want to teach abstinence-only birth control, which doesn’t work, and they discourage birth control. So that is the church’s fault.
      2:You are right about stereotyping. Your second and third points are very similar though.
      3: It is not bogus to compare the theory of evolution to the theory of gravity at all. It can be quantified (rate of random mutations and selection), test it (controlled selection observation), and make predictions. Evolution is happening RIGHT NOW and every time an organism reproduces, just as it is every day and observed and documented all the time. The only question is whether the species we see today (including us) came from different species in the past (which is obvious to someone who understands science).

  • Jonathon Brownback

    What objective moral code do you accuse most religions in the world of violating? You seem to be upset that religion is wrong. (It’s wrong because it’s violating some specific moral code, otherwise it’s just violating your personal, subjective opinion, in which case…. it’s just *your* opinion dude, relax. Everyone else is entitled to their opinion too.) If it (religion) is violating some sort of moral code that clearly you hold quite dearly to, then what, pray tell, is that code?

    • Jazzy Davies

      Actually no. People aren’t entitled to their opinions, that’s just a popular myth. If you can demonstrate to me that your opinion will have zero impact on me then you can have it. Unfortunately, most opinions are part of a cascade effect and by letting you state, for example, that the moon is made of cheese, then perhaps your neighbour will run with that and start pronouncing that cheese-eaters are enemies of the state… etc etc. You get the picture.

    • Michael

      3 moral codes: 1) religion can be, and is divisive. Some people of one particular religion don’t like people of another particular religion. But if they weren’t all religious, would they still hate each other? 2) environmental reasons. People of religion tend to see the earth as a temporary home and think they have to right to do what they want with the land and the air and the water etc. They may actually see it as their duty to ’till and tame the land’. This has bad effects on the environment. 3) Cultural. missionaries see it as their duty to go to other people’s lands and tell them that their beliefs are wrong, their way of living is wrong, and they should all learn this new religion. I think those things are all very serious.

  • Miles Allen

    If Evolution were true, then too many things would’ve had to take place to make the universe as complex as it is. Events that far exceed what the Big Bang theory states. Just like a painting can’t paint itself, the universe can’t create itself.

  • Tern

    This page repeats a logical fallacy often found in New Atheist sites and videos. It refers selectively only to the conservative and bigoted types of religion, presents totally correct good arguments against those, but then claims the argument holds against all religion and the entire concept of religion.

    Nowhere does this page mention the Liberal Christians and Jews who are pro-gay and totally believe in evolution and scientific cosmology and sceptical questioning of Biblical morals. I attended a gay wedding in an Anglican church just a year ago.

  • Michael

    My thoughts exactly Sarah! Just because you don’t understand how the chemistry of a beetle could have evolved, doesn’t mean it has to be supernatural. And for that matter, how is a supernatural being supposed to make any sense either?

  • Josh

    Easily one of the best articles I have ever read in my entire life. This
    pinpoints PRECISELY what is wrong with all religions. Thank you, good
    sir, for writing this.
    I now have an overwhelming urge to post the
    link to this on every website known to man. Everyone needs to read this.
    Theist, Atheist, Agnostic, or otherwise. Religion has been a prominent
    factor in the holding back of an intelligent, free-thinking and
    scientific society.

    I can’t wait for the day when religions are entirely wiped out. Might be some time, but we’ll get there. Eventually.